3.3.4 Place and Date of Origin
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![](https://www1.columbia.edu/sec/cu/libraries/bts/img/assets/10211/man-part-date.png)
Place and date of origin are tricky for manuscripts: hard to assign, problematic to search, crucial for research. So for these two fundamental concepts, DS-Access provides options and granularity, while forcing the cataloguer to say something. If you can't even begin to guess, if your legacy data is silent, if you've no manuscript-studies friend you can impose upon, you could always put "Undetermined" in the Country and in the Date fields, but only as a last resort; how many DS users are going to search for "Undetermined"?
3.3.4.1 Place of Origin
3.3.4.2 Date of Origin: Roman to Arabic Numerals